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Arturo Macias's avatar

Perhaps culture wars are not important at the last ballot box, but what about primaries? Lots of intra partisan Politics and the obliteration of local public opinion leads to culture war dominance.

Ali Afroz's avatar

Fascinating stuff. Really surprised that we have data on a lot of this as honestly, I thought the information isn’t recorded anywhere. I’m pretty surprised that politicians who are in zero some contest with other politicians have incentives pushing them in the more prosocial direction, whereas media companies whose incentive is to actually maximise the attention they get and hence in theory increase the information transmit end up being incentivised to do more harmful and less educational things. One possible disagreement, while I understand your argument that the groups are push to maximise attention. Even when it’s bad for them, I do think that some of this behaviour is actually good for them because a popular and uncontroversial message does you know good if nobody hears about it, so you have to be controversial enough to make the news. Basically, you have to be controversial enough to make the news but not so controversial that people are actively pushed away from your view point. Although depending on the specific goal, you are sometimes better of even if they are pushed away. For example, if you convince a bunch of people to reduce or stop their meet consumption, it doesn’t really matter if a lot of other people now dislike your movement even more because they’re not realistically going to eat more meat because of it. That said more importantly, I think unlike media companies, most of the groups don’t have such good feedback mechanisms regarding their impact and not being in a financial business. Their incentives are a lot messier and and behaviour which leads to them being out competed by other groups is also not entirely about public attention, but also has a bunch of other factors. However, most of that is just arguing over Small details and in practice, I do think the dynamic your highlighting is absolutely a thing and failure to attract public attention or get your base fired up absolutely creates selection effects that actually damage the effectiveness of groups at their stated objectives, but that’s an empirical claim which is something I mostly believe because it lines up with my sense of the news I here and not something that I think this Study confirms or disconfirms and indeed I would say that I am a lot more doubtful about this empirical claim than I am about the findings of the study regarding what works to persuade people or attract their attention. I’m also somewhat confused why the media would only discover recently that trashy stuff sells. Shouldn’t somebody have tried to pick up that million dollar bill lying on the ground before now. To be clear, I’m not sure we even disagree about anything. I’m just highlighting the things I found confusing or where I had doubts regarding the accuracy of the story.

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